The Angry Indian Man and Thaipusam
Nedumaran Elangovan
'Konjem Sanja, Muruganee Vithe Yeppam Vittheruvange Evenenge'- actual words of an Indian uncle standing next to me.
Okay, lets us forget about the banners, the cut out and the huge ass garland. Pihak penulis tidak mahu memberi komen tentang pekara tersebut kerana, mungkin disalah tafsir oleh sesetengah pihak sebagai coretan ejen pembangkang, yang ingin menimbulkan huru-hara.
I was in Batu Caves (BC) last night, way up to 6 am this morning. Not to pray, I have to admit, I was there to support some family members who were paying their vows.
The first thing that greeting me was the blaring sounds of air-horns. For 2 fucking kilometers, all I can hear is the irritating sound of the horn, and machas screaming. Confirms my theory that most macha’s that show up during Thaipusam, are attention whores who think irritating people is cool.
Then there was this punk wig, WTF? Whats this? Attam 100 Vagai Concert? Ok, now Im going off topic. My anger today is not towards these idiots, but towards someone way higher. The so called temple management committee.chong qi you yong chi
Dear Sirs,
You have been in the committee for how long? As far as I know, you people have been there, sitting on your raised platform (now aircon glass building), shouting
‘Puchong, Taman Anggama-vin Parratai ke gavanam, unggel patti Tangamaa jamban kitte nikkerange ungalkage”
Ok, I have to admit, managing a million people is not an easy task, but you did have a long time to practice, didn’t you? And you have a whole year to prepare, with millions of Ringgit to spare.
And still, every year, it the same old bullshit. Mismanaged crowds, terrible facilities, garbage and incompetent management. Here is something that I have noticed, and here is some suggestions.
Stall/Booth Placement
No stall should be allowed to operate along the main entrance leading to the stair as this causes congestion, removing stalls will allow more space for visitors to walk and breathe.
Yes, there will be people saying,
‘Tamilan business kedukera pakkeriya? Nambe edam kudekelati, vereh yaar nambe makkal ke opportunity kudupa?”.
I say, go ahead give the business to the small business owners, who needs your stupid fun-fair? Scrap you funfair, and you have space for another 50 businesses. Don’t tell me the funfair towkey is Indian now.
Don’t allow non religious, or community related booths in the temple grounds. Ok, I understand MC Mama Jama Puma needs this opportunity, to promote his album ‘Kathi Mel Ratham, Kattil Mel Porattam”. But he can do the same outside the grounds, right? Another space is made available for our small business owner.
Crowd Movement
Okay, now you have your pathways clear. But there is still the issue with the bottleneck at the main entrance. I say, make the path one way. One for the one carrying kavadi, one for the normal devotee.
There is 3 pathways on the steps, 2 goes up, one comes down. Route the outgoing traffic through the shoplot area, more business for our Indian people. They will exit through the second gate (next to the main gate). Oh, yes, don't let the machas park their bikes there. These places should be purely for pedestrians.
Waste Management
Ok, now people are moving freely. But still, you have the piles of garbage. Most garbage comes off food stalls and food “panthals”. Ban the polystyrene containers, these container are bulky, hence the need for bigger bins. Use smaller containers like wax papers for distribution of food. Its more compact, and garbage storage will use less space.
The temple can also try the zoning system. Group the food panthals, and food stalls into a common area. This will also eliminate need for multiple bins, as one of the issues that I heard is the temple has limited waste bins. The common area will have a few large bins, and with a frequent cleaning schedule, waste buildup will reduce.
Shoot The Irritating Idiots (I wish)
Don't take crap from these arseholes. Bar people carrying destructive/disruptive items from coming into the temple ground. They should also ban selling of these types of item near the temple ground. It can be kinda hard to accomplish, but didn’t someone say, we have 200 thousand RELA members in Klang Valley? Use RELA to throw these idiots out. Cakap banyak kalau, kasi sumbat dalam trak FRU.
*nota kaki: Saw group of machas wearing monkey masks roaming around temple ground.
Showering Facility For Devotees.
This was the thing that pissed me to the maximum, 5 working PVC shower heads only? Fireworks show can, live telecast can, but a simple shower system cannot build? Now got RM 2 million lagi for Dewan. RM 8 juta for temple upgrade. Do what? Build big screen?
No Proper Information Dissemination System.
“MP Pembangkang kentut dalam lift; imej negara tercemar”
Not exact words, but these type of things pejuang bangsa 1Malaysia can blog, but one of the biggest temples and tourist attraction in Malaysia does not have a website, and no one makes a noise? Where am I suppose to be updated with temple rules, regulations and updates? Twitter anyone?
So much money, so much of power and you still fall short. I guess, not needing to publish your accounts publicly does have this effect on you. Right? No wonder every year committee members 'boroiness' keeps on increasing.
Bonus:

JKMM; looking after the welfare of all races...
Update 9-Feb-2012:
Read an interesting note on the origins and how we have deviated from the original purpose of Thaipusam on FB. You can read it here:
So, why are we celebrating THAIPUSAM?
Credits to the writer, Ms. Lelamekala Vengidasan.
It’s ironic that I couldn’t even find any information on how to contact the temple committee, so literally there is no way they’re reachable.
Can spend garland so big for PM, tapi shower head baru 5 untuk millions of devotee.
you bastards if u dun like this thing happening, shut the fuck and sit down at house.dun post it here. assholes. dun be pussy to post at here.
yaravathu nallathu sonna unggaluke pidikathe…
If only you people are given a chance to manage. If only all of these are taken into consideration.
Kethavan: Ningge enna Vijaykanth fan oh? pidikelena side orum poi kai plus podengge…appe enna pundeike inthe article le padichingge? fuck you! wish i can screw your fuckin mouth wif ma middle finger!
Awesome… Keep up your good job bro.. wish to see more articles from you.. letz start from the “A”
To add on onto this issue….i am so ashamed on the committees attitude..! they have also changed Batu Caves Murugan temple to an exercising spot by letting people to jog on the stairs…further more,we Indians believe that we should not wear slippers into temples…!! i believe it is very rude act for a tourist or anyone goin up the Batu Caves Murugan Temple stairs with shoes or slippers…pls do take proper action to avoid people making mistakes like this and respect the believes that we have in our religion..!! TQ
I think slippers n shoes shld be allow in temple ground (staircase) but not in the temple itself.
And please put a big signboard for rules and regulations there.
Other religion taking care their holy place very well with so much of rules.
Imagine a diabetic patient walks without slipper.
1 small stone is enough to remove is leg.
No proper governance within the committee. They shld publish their annual report. Declare their annual income.
Employ proper management team. Make it like a corporate with the aim of non profit organization.
Every year rubbish and crowd a problem. From experience they shld know.
Unless they dont care.
Kethavan,
Neengeee temple committee member or Putera Cyber member?
Dude,u shud get a freakin life!! u must be one of the *PARIA* there i guess! i pity U!!!
Seriously! Are you really stupid?
ketevan….nengee memang kettevan.ana punde ketevan..u just go n wank at ur house toilet and shut ur fucking mouth.no need to protest here…fuck hole…….!!!!!!mo****fucker….
FUCK OFF U DAMN BASTARD SUPPORTING THOSE MONKEY’S CREATING FUCKING NONSENSE AT BATU CAVES !!! WAT HE SAID IS REAL, AND NOT A FAKE STORY U BASTARD !
I’m very sure u must be one of the idiot macha mentioned here…..
hey dumb fuck, who the hell are u to tell ppl not to post here? this site belongs to u izit? don’t u know world wide web is public and everyone has right to post what they feel? if a jerk like u can read and post online, y can’t others?
i guess it’s u who is a puss who refused to accept the fact and problem tat is clouding our community. wht the writer has highlighted is 100% right and eye opening of the current situation. learn to look at the bigger picture instead of having a close mind as your political masters (MoronsInternationalClub).
if u r really concern bout indians, do something bout it instead of shutting down the truth. u r a kethavan. kethavan to the community and country. i bet u will be shot down if u were in front any of us..
ahahah… u are so right… my 1st time at batu caves and my first time carrying the milk pot… but i was shocked on how commercialized thaipusam at batu caves was lah… geez they were even selling “KOLAVERI” t-shirts!!! and this K-TOWN CLan (local band) was promoting their album… sighhhh….. seriously ppl! COME OF IT!
Nice one! I couldn’t agree further with those punk-headed retards and their honking sound. Not forgetting, their usual way of attracting the opposite sex by wearing sunglasses at night.. DAFUQ!
You got a point there bro. If I am a tourist and I want to check out the rules and regulations, the ‘map’, what is what, where is where and other info regarding Thaipusam, where should I head to?
I 100% support ur comments bro…. until now I couldn’t relief from the frustration I’ve been through this year thaipusam. Those punk head bustarterd with honk blowers are the real mu*** f**kers who Chose the wrong way to gain attraction. They are the biggest contributers to put our community down.
WHERE IS THE SO CALLED POLICE AND RELA? WHY IT’S GOING OUT OF CONTROL?
You forgot bout these typical Indians whom have problems with their fingers where they cant keep it to themselves but need to touch girls that are innocent and even if u don’t have a sister but you still have a mother and You know what she is also a FEMALE.
Did any of your parents teach you to drink n go to temples. Shy to call you Indians. GOD is not happy in what you have done…SHAME SHAME PUPPY SHAME!!!
Totally agreed with the writer! Uneducated Indians wearing lousy wigs and also for the stall keepers… y must use the mic or speaker to sell ur CD/VCDs?? for the girls are they went to Batu Caves just to show off their new outfits and make-up like the film actresses?? Ivanangga thirunthara varaikum nadu urapadathu!
jokka sonninga akka..
I agree with ur comments. Let’s not commercialize a religious festival. It’s sad to see our own race misbehaving at our very own festival. Temple committee, plz don’t be profit oriented. Tht’s not wht Lord Muruga wants…
Wht’s wrong with JKMM? I still can’t believe their stupidity… Najib, is this ur 1Malaysia?
Pure moronic !! I totally agree with you. Thaipusam has become commercial nowdays. It is more to business rather than for prayers. have some mercy on the devotees lar peepz. The temple committee is sleeping huh ?? Or too busy counting their profits and deciding which way to waste it next ?? Something has to be done fast before it gets worse. What are the so called “dato’s ” of the committee doing ?? Busy licking the moneys?? Damn irritating !!!
Bro, u forgot another thing, Thaipusam is the place to take revenge on all the previous fights which happened a few weeks or months ago..
Every year without fail,our bro’s will definetly fight for simple reasons like silap pandang..rammed da bike at taman..n all sorts of other stupid reasons..
Sometimes it will b’come sm kind of fashion street..we hv ramarajan’s in Malaysia too..bright Orange or Red shirt/t’shirt..with Green pants/jeans..n like how Makkez said sunglasses at Nite…aiyo..enna koddume saravana ithu!!!
yes..i agree. the stupid commitee is only there for the share of collection. its a spiritual journey and they allow these machas who cause trouble with airhorns and bad attitude. get rela to do its job. the cleanliness is deplorable and no bin is placed for rubbish. fine the stall operators if they mess up and litter. the traffic police is also useless with only a handful compared to what they will engage if it was a muslim affair….make the event a pleasant event with memories and engagement of a spiritual journey..
rely disspointed wt al dz attitude!! hey look bt.cave s a temple not ur house pasar malam!! n not a place which u date n hang around wit al uselss paradox..dont understand why dz ppl dono 2 gv respect n take respect! no “budi bahasa” we people suffering for those diz pedestrians nver think bot de ppl whom carry heavy kavadi n milk pot! al de way stuck no way 4 al de devotee walk dammnn!! can u al do aometng 4 dz.. n dz s not house 4u guys 2 stay n sleep!! got brain book a hoteln slep but dont embrace slepn on de ,idst of de road! thk about others……..do take action!
Seriuosly…beragama Buddha??? that was a blast!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah I forgot about the ******* irritating noises or hons…blown by young jerks!!!! oooopppps sorry i mean ‘our future leaders’ I just hope these idiots would change!!! as far as I can remember no matter how much money given to this management,things wudn’t change!!!! Lost confidence!! maybe we should investigate thier background!! 200000 RELA???? unbelieveable!!!!
This post is definitely going to butthurt many of *coughs* our so called civilised Indians. You’ve just hit the nail real hard at the right spot. Thaipusam is now the Malaysian Indian World Cup and a wholesale pasar malam where people are guaranteed a minimum 5 figure income throughout the few days. The sole purpose and the true meaning behind this auspicious day will soon be forgotten and it will become more of a business in a few more years to come!
n to add on.. i saw some idiots throwing carlsberg can (filled on) towards de walking crowd during the chariot possession… WTF ryte… i got almost hit by one of them.. where as when i walk a few metres in front i see Police a truck load of them… what r they doing??
For this simple reason of mismanagement by Powers that be and itchy-fied monkeys roaming the streets I have not joined the festivities despite always wanting to go and photograph it…
Embarrassing our fucking own race.. Because of these smart dickheads, the population of devotee’s are going to decrease due to d fear of getting killed during the crossfire between one gang and the other.. assholes, if you want to show your balls, do it some place where theres no innocent ppl nearby.. cutting ppl is not something to be proud of, its discriminating.. not only yourselves but to your religion and race as well.. don’t fucking blame other races for looking down on us, blame yourselves first.. two murder cases that i know of this year ==’
Hey there just read your article 🙂 its freaking awesome.. just came by your page 🙂
I really agree every single thing you said 🙂 you just wrote mt thoughts out 🙂
Cheers 😀
true story.
This statement should be read by our god forsaken government. This blood sucking management and those uneducated indians are the main reasons why others still look down at us. please la, we need to think and help our indians out. Don’t embarrass us with this kind of events at the most visited place in the country. I have noted a few foreigners with their cameras. what will they comment to their people when they share their experience? If this is how the management gonna run the show, then the people should do something about it. change the management. erase the machas and strive to gain respect from others.
well said. was there. saw everything. it was ridiculous. the crowd, the cleanliness, the stalls, pedestrian walk, Everything!.. its not worth it.. poor little children. I could see some of them crying! old folks! i really got no clue whether they came to pray or have fun. the fun fair was not worth it. They should know that batu caves is a Holy place. Not a MALL!! some were promoting their cd’s and stuff. God knows for what purpose!! it shows the mentality of indians… ada duit sikit bukannya nak memperbaikkan the place but buy all the unnecessary stuff. I was so frustrated with the loud sound of whatever they call it. batu caves is one of the main tourist attraction. felt so embarrass. btw, good article. Keep it up =)
totally agree on this.. machas with the wigs should b gunned down. seriously!… if you (the one who wrote this) can come up with a petition.. i bet thousands wud be behind u.. im one of them..
hey thr…wateva u wrote above was what all i was complaining about..damn!!!!this so called machas..felt lk smacking them..this is suppose to be a religious celebration.the horn thiny was so freaking annoying!!!arghhh!!!!they behaved lk paraiah fellows..sorry for saying that..the temple committee should be stern in these issues.
This was my first time to Batu Caves and first time seeing Thaipusam celebrated live, and I didn’t want to criticise the event, but you’ve voiced my sentiments exactly! We went on the overpriced Ferris wheel though..
ive never been to batu caves before.always wanted to go there during thaipusam,just to see what its like.sadly,i hear things like this every year,without fail.because of this,im proud to say that ive never set foot in a temple,and i never will.not until something is done to curb this “hooliganism”.
Awesome! nice summary of 2012 thaipusam. Well addressed problems and good suggestions to overcome it. Kudos!
My Thaipusam 2012 journey started from KL Sentral station.. Got there bout midnite, so called ‘Thaipusam Shuttle Train’ which suppose to be commuting between KL Station & Batu Caves station did not show up for hours when I arrived (I presume), ‘Baktha Kodiz’ was cheering up when they saw a train coming from Port Klang. Made me thinking ‘Superman” arrived eh? So most of us was pushed in, to be squeezed inside the train. Upon arriving BC, finally could breath some fresh air.. Just as we walked towards Pillayar Temple, Police was tryin to tie a rope near a junction to divert the crowd from collision. Seriously, a rope? Felt like some animals then. But surely the crowd was acting like some. Pity those small kids who were dragged by their parents in between the crowd. Then came the colourful ‘Last Mohican(s)'(wigs) & two footed Trains (air horns)! Thought footbal match is going on instead of ‘Prayers’. Finally managed to get into the crowd to walk up the stairs to meet Lord Murugan. Seems like some are there just to wipe their sweats with others clothes. After all those pushing & pulling, manage to walk up and did the prayers. Heard 1 devotee sayin to his friend ‘hurry up, we need to get to work by 6.00am’ this was at 4.00am. Well he has got a reason for rushing, whats for the others? All need to go to work as well? After the prayers, went around the shoplots to buy some sweets. As we wanted to ask bout the price & the sweets, therez the ‘ACD+DVD launching Events’ Thought the last time the temple committe wanted these things to be far from the temple, what happened to the words? Atleast they cld lower the volume, unless the promoters do have some hearing problem (they need high volume to hear)!! Finally we decided to leave, the pushing & pulling scene again. This time its to get the train back to KL. .
Phew… with all these crowds, I wonder how much ‘$$$’ has the temple have collected?? how much the KTM have collected?? how much the shop keepers would hav collected?? & I wonder how much of those does really comes back to Indian Community Survival??? Pretty soon some printers would even make money by printing ‘Happy Thaipusam’ greeting cards & we could make the printers & postal dept. more richer!!!
And all we concern now is getting two days public holidays for Deepavali as like HR & CNY!! *clap*clap*clap*
Well said bro writer.We are the new generation who should be thinking wisely on how to uplift our religion/culture/race image.Definately not by the way this MOTXXX FXXXERS are promoting our religion.I call them the HOOLIGANS cause thats what they are doing.And really sorry to say this there are even some girls who really seems to be enjoying it as well and they are also part of it!(NOT ALL THE GIRLS PLEASE)
Why cant these hooligans watch how the Buddhist celebrate their procession.Its being done really peacefully and harmony.If noticed there are no FRU personal as weel in their procession unlike ours.
Its a shame to us as INDIAN whose religion goes back thousands of year but our YOUTHS attitude are still the same.The temple commitee is nothing but just to make money for themselves and their cronies nothing new.If there is something new it will only happen after the CHAIRMAN is replaced with some body with brains!
And as for any of you who are very happy of whats currently going on please keep your comments to yourself.You type of people are the one’s currently being liked by the HOOLIGANS cause they can be a real NUISANCE to the public and you low baller will sit and enjoy the shit of it!
DONT FORGET INDIANS HAS BEEN IN MALAI URU SINCE RAJA RAJA CHOLAN MEANING BEFORE THE BLOODY PARAMESWARA IDIOT CAME TO THE SO CALLED MELAKA!
PEACE BRO’
I’m so disappointed to what this event has become. I may not be old to have witness the development of this event, but I know that this event in Batu Caves has gotten far a lot worse over the years. I blame the management and the authorities as well. It should be a holy and auspicious event for the Indian community, but there are still very irresponsible devotees. With all the quagmire caused, I hope that the right governing body of this particular event take a prompt action next year. Although the task may be arduous,but let’s hope for a change
I totally agreed with all..i just don’t understand every year i will walk with the radhom from mariaman temple to batu cave and the sad part is that our Indian young boys are using the bikes to irrite others by ramming in between the devotes. I Jus don’t get the motive of them doing that….i was so happy when one Indian police man push the bike down n slap him. I went n shake hand with him n said thanks. And another guy was villing n he fell down i think he broke his hand yet he was ramming his bike n testing power. Its is very sad i cannot bring my foreign friends for thaipusam cause of this P ‘s. I hope this won’t happen again well i just can pray for the best but i know this indian s will never change. The government should take action. .
Regards,
Sisqo
hey thr….i experienced it 2 yrs back and this is the main reason i stopped walking with the ratham.:)
Yes,all the comment are true friends.Those who irritating using this blady horn and the fucking punk head should be punished by the police or FRU.Temple committee member Mr.nadarajah should band the horn and the fucking punk wig hair or else come with new idea that is summon them who selling it.Ah..ah Still can’t; our Malaysian police man can’t live without taking corruption.
Having read the article and the entire thread….I can’t stop but to share my fair experience regarding this event though I wasn’t at the exact location where all this took place. Being born and bred in KL, I always did regret on never being able to visit bt.caves during thaipusam…..as a matter of fact I had it in a must do list for 2012. Working as a doctor in a general hospital in klang valley during this festive season did piss the living shit out of me. Blv it or not, I personally had 13 Indian boys/men/unpolished immature morons at the casualty for various different issues. It all narrows down to drink drunk drama @ the parade till some of them were badly injured for crappy reasons. I was actly shocked by the fact on why these ppl wud even bother to attend a religious event n make a mess out of the whole thing. Personally it was frustrating to attend to these ppl who refused medical attention when there were more ppl in need waiting…..and embarrassing at the same time having to face questions thrown by non Indian collegues abt this. Though I may be from a different faith….it makes me wonder if a majority of them have got the entire.essence of the event all mixed up…wat abt learning how to respect others and their privacy n etc???? A good friend of mine from UK visitted the event this year and innocently commented at a picture he captured ” its good to see the various Indian tribes come together…partying Halloween style”….my reaction : *facepalm*…..Phhhhtttt they r just silly young ppl gaining attention!!! At the end of the day….it all narrows down to “CHANGE”!!! From within….it doesn’t make us any less Indian. As for now I’m striking off that one thing I’ve Alwiz wanted to do….I think I’ve had a fair share.
That is wat exactly in my mind… really got no words to say bout the morons. In fact i told my frens that next i’ll go to Penang, NO MORE BATU CAVES!!!
Penang is also the same…with their MU fan kavadi and all nonsense…i have a recording a group of kavadian’s dancing in front of the ‘pantal’for vettaikaran song…
haha…Penang is still much better than the so called Batu Caves Temple…tell me where ppl not dancing for movie songs?? still its better than VUVUZELA horns!
This year thaipusam looks like a retarded Thaipusam ever in my life. I witness a Accident Cause by Mat Rempit Near Jalan Ipoh Mutiara Complex. Full of Motorist with their f*ck*ing loud exhaust ramming into the crowd carrying Pal Koddam and forcing them to give space for them. Do they have respect for the devotes. This is why our su**i tamilan macha are always great to spoil our culture out there. And more interesting was when i was at Batu Caves the next day. As if felt like stuck in a heavy traffic in south africa. Honkin here n there. Agree with the chicken Punk p*nd*k hair. Don’t understand whether they came for Prayers or Porukiretheke. Again i’ll say this year is the worst thaipusam in Batu Caves Ever.
Cool bro!! Fantastic article!! Eventhough im not a Hindu, i still attend thaipusam every year.. just few days before i went to batu caves.. But believe me, i still hearing that vuvuzela horn sound inside my ear!! Bloody moronic people!! How come our indian culture mix with that stupid sound?? Cheh!! I wish i shoot down all those who use that horn!!
Exactly what I was really thinking about…this kind of nutty Indians will never change, no matter how many times we scream over here…
About the stupid wick and blady annoying sound…and not to forget the drunkards…pls respect those people who are really praying…these moron are spoiling the names as an Indian…
100% true wahat yall had stated….hmmmm thaipusam is a holy festival which celeberate more greater than other festival in batu caves but always get a negative view its all because our own hindu society who don’t respect our god…they came to batu caves for show off..and tha uneducated people who always fail to show decency…hope for a great thaipusam on coming year……muruga….
i agree with all that u said…i didnt get the chance to go thaipusam this year…but i really missed the festival…
becoz of some craps…festivals has become a fun fair..a place to show ur stylo mylo…its not wrong to dress up but not to the extend ur dressing sense becomes vomit to others…ter is alot costume for guys in our own indian culture…why dont u all wear that…but wigs…sunglasses..really ask urself…n gurls who shows of alot of their skins …is it necessary…i mean come on…this is festival..n prayers…not a fashion show..but nowdays(sorry to say) both gender memang rosak betul..if u urself dont follow our culture…then why u say u r one(indian)..think again…thaipusam is a god festival not a fashion show..u still look good if u wear cultural..n its the respect u r giving to that festival as an indian..i am proud to be indian…born as indian..will die as indian..dont let down our culture with ur lousy craps..grow up..
nee nijemmave tamilichi than..vaalge 100 years!
totally agree wit dis article…in penang also same… its such a shame to indian community to have dis kind of jackass..
well said!!! i was in penang this thaipusam!as it was the 1st time of me bein ther, i was realy excited of wat the festival had to reveal.. sadly, wat exactly was revealed was our indians terrible attitude!! it is a shame to see the indian community strayin on the roads without a purpose!! r they realy such shameless creatures??? te most embarassin part is tat even foreigners wore ‘vesthi’, ‘jippa’, ‘sarees’ and al those beautiful indian cultural outfits (OUR INDIAN CULTURAL OUTFITS) but our community out ther were showin off with sum ugly coloured shorts, sleeveless shirts with a horrifyin sunglasses!! for heaven sake!! ther is no sun at nite!! which part of the word ‘SUNglassess’ dun they understand??!! te question to be asked now is… if others can do it, y cant v????? is it seriously tat hard to follow a hanful of rules!! i dun tink so.. our race will NEVER develop until changes occur to our young generation!!
cool buddy. tads it our festival. so we enjoy it.
huh damn funkin alse to condemn us.
Its a religious festival, time for us to seek god and redemption..you mau enjoy, go Darkkey concert (no offence, Abang Darkkey)
Nadarajah need to be kicked out of the temple management first..:)
Scrap palkodam protection money collection….:)
Fun fare is a waste….. but Temple getting about 150k to 200k rental…but its going into wrong hand..:)
Poor crowd control management
Illegal parking collectors….3 times come to batu caves rm30 gone…dia ingat duit datang dari langit:)
need 4 lane staircase in future..:)
What he or she commenting is all true that we know many many years..1st Batu Caves Thaipusam was in 2002…n until now there is no changes at alll…remain as worst thaipusam in Malaysia….
Well, I think the wealthist temple is so poor this year cse they charge rm 5 compare to rm 10, so they decided not decorate murhagn chariot, no garland, lighting system so terrible n spoil on off, even kuru an nt well deco when left kl , all the malai is from ppl, big head nadaraja walked bit then jumped into air cond car n came…why thus type still there..change management if u cnt handle it..I agree 100% with the writer….
Good one! Anyway, there are bunch of rubbish in bt caves, care to clean it with us. Please join us at 5pm today 🙂
I couldn’t agree more with this article. Batu Caves is the wealthiest temple is Malaysia (correct me if I’m wrong) but the facilities are still poor. Do they need an office building full of glasses and granite stones. Thaipusam is no more like a religious festival when it comes to Batu Caves. It’s more like Carnival of anything…
I brought a friend of mine who is Chinese for Thaipusam this year, and she was quite disappointed seeing how Thaipusam is celebrated. She said, I expected people will be more towards praying but it’s more like carnival where they have funfair all…
Common lar… Thaipusam is one of the biggest festival we have and is this how we gonna ptray ourself to the world… Something serious should be done.
So true… Most people go there for shopping instead of praying… And some gurlz who were dressing up as though they were going to pub… Whats the need for it..??? Trying to attract more trouble to themselves..??? The two lanes at the entrance… 1 for entering in and another lane for goin out.. cant people understand something as simple as that..??? But i really don’t understand why there are still some people who needs to go against it by going in the one-way lane… Parents who brought their kids… pity them… being dragged in such a hot wheather… in such a hug crowd… is it really necessary to bring their kids..???!! This is gonna be my LAST YEAR to Batu Caves for THAIPUSAM…
Agree with the writer on the whole. The fucking dog that was rubbing his dick behind my friend’s ass. Don’t ya’ll have sisters and mothers to do that? Thank god she punched that ass hole. Seriously did the pariahs come to batu caves to pray or fuck around? Haven’t they heard of the red light area? Cheap sex for pariah peverts. Maire fucking punde betul !
Went a day after Thaipusam,still saw tonnes of rubbish,all piled up,with nasty smell somemore,and even worse,it was right in front of temples .Really pathetic . And illegal parking collectors,simply come and ask 10 bucks as tough its their fathers property.And drunken people all the way.Sigh!Oh crap!Hope we can do our bit for a more better Thaipusam enviromnment next year!!!
Freakin awesome man.. I’ve completely stopped going to Bt. caves for thaipusam because of the parias and the horrible management. On thaipusam I just go to any temple with Murugan and do an archanai. God is god, I dont need to publicize my spirituality
the article cekap la!!Sundari said “Ivanangga thirunthara varaikum nadu urapadathu!”
first tamilan urupadattum apuram naade patti yosikelam…
and the announcement made by the committee to address the old lady is pure shit..where did they learnt that fucking language..can’t they ask sumone hu is good in tamil to do it..and for the machas…you guys wana enjoy means enjoy la..but how nice if u all behave urself..forget bout the wigs..change ur bladdy attire first..wear a jippa and dhoti and dance more girls will see you man!
lastly to those who gv negative comments for this article..THINK before you talk!
I agree wit you bro…. 100% …
The most irritating stuff > the Vuvuzela Honks!!
Owwhh man, it irritates the hell out of and made me almost to punch few punks !!
These people are full of ignorance and immaturity. Need lessons on religions and life.
Dot.
They even killed a cop there at Batu Cafes During Thaipusam bro, what is regular public then?Read on News Papers
Who ever the writer is – Hats off to you bro, 100% true. Thaipusam nowdays is more of a carnival then a religious festival. This jokers are there to have fun and irritate others. I would darely say only 20% to the most are there to really pray and fulfill their vows the rest 80% are just making fun of them self and making Indians in general look stupid. Even those who are taking kavadi’s are so blady ignorant. Whats the deal with the Flying Man on hooks and sadal with DAP and MU frames – PEOPLE COME ON GET A LIFE ! that’s embarrassing.
By any god given chance if the temple committee gets to read all this posts – this is from me to Nadaraja and his cronies ” Knock your stupid head on the wall and lets see if that would shake off the dollar signs so you can think of our people do something about it.
well said!! 100% true!!
Ketavan : u must be one of the idiot paria machas der la..dat explains ur resentment against the writer…Huahahaha….
Hi RAOUL,
Dun use word “paria” b’cos ter ur also already develop/sensitive but this moron kethavan still in theory darwin (like monkey )..Cannot be changed, 100% rite with the statement above need to change even in Sabarimalai they already change why not here..
Okay. So it wasn’t only in Ipoh, where retards were wearing those down right fugly wigs? It was this years Thaipusam trend uh? Last year, it was some weird devil horns headband that had lights. Thaipusam is turning into a Mardi Gras celebration instead of a religious event. Shame on us.
Please share this site with those uneducated fellows out there….KATTAN betul…!!!!
sorry bro,i didnt go to batu caves..but wat u al comment it..seriously i felt very ashamed of tis kind of attitude in our indian society.OuR own race that makes us down in our country.
well said bro’s n sista’s….Really dissapointed with wat i saw in batu caves tiz year…1st of all dat dam horns arrgggghhh no words to describe d madness to c dat kinda bastards!!!…
Stop blaming our leaders n others races, felt ashamed to hear they’re killing their own society ppl in dat holy place…Wat d hell happening to those idiots!!! Drinking alchohol,dancing like uneducated dogs,sleeping by d road side,rely hate to c this kinda enviroment ova der…
They do have a website.
http://www.batucavesmuruga.org.
Thanks for pointing this out..but then again, as I said..is the information reliable?
where is the FAQ? Thaipusam guidelines? If I am a tourist, wouldnt i get confused with the redirection to the Mariamman Temple?
*1st of all for what the fuck our indian youngsters coming to Batu Caves? (excluding those went for *real praying*)
*this motherfuckers guys wearing fucking ugly attires..skinny jeans or boot cut jeans,polo numbered shirts *04,08,18,21,24,36*, 10 bucks glasses at *night*,wig n more ugliest things..
*these road dogs blowing that honks for what lar? are u idiots in stadium watching football match?
*drinking alcohol in *temple*..ppl think about this, which race or religion doing this? play the song of our famous local artist Psychomantra, “cheers” n perform for this song in groups..i think aatam 100 vagai audition..this idiots chanting muruga or not but for sure chanting *innum konjam cheers*..so proud lar 🙂
*road dogs, ur speech and ur words in front of public..why u all cant speak bad words to ur parents? its same if u speak in public..
*now our girls..can i know ur coming to temple or to promote ur beauty? yes, i agree that ur very hot,pretty,have good curves,big boobs,curvy asses..(im sorry other good n homely sisters) i have to mention this..why girls wearing modern dress to *temple*? low neck,short skirts,spaggety,tight top n pants..where gone our cultural pavadae thavani at least punjabi dress? maybe next year, i guess u all gonna wear bra n panties only, then the following years nude to temple..are u trying to seduce those devotees?
*next our love ops sorry *lust* birds..hmmm wanna sleep in temple in front of millions of ppl? or wanna show to lord muruga? why u choose batu caves temple to make lust? as i know there many cheap hotels available, u can pay little amount n can enjoy ur sex inside 4 walls..am i right ppl?
*then our bikers..im a biker too, i also know to wheelie,ramming,back wheelie,etc..its my personal skills, i never show to ppl or public..why u all wanna show those skills in the place thousands of ppl came to pray n pay their respect to god?
*next the lusty guys n also girls..why u all choose temple to satisfy ur dirty mind such as grabbing other women ass or body? this bitches why u all seducing those guys by wearing sexy dresses n “layan” the guys?
*awesome…now about the flying man kavadi..i thought dasavatharam kamal haasan arrive..fuh, dashyat lar bro..kallai mattum kandal kadavul teriyathu song shooting i amazed u know..glory glory manchester united..bro i respect u lar..then DAP rocket kavadi, again i thought neil amstrong reborn n gonna step in the moon..yenda madapundamavanugala, yenda nambe hindu mathathe ipdi nasam panringe? nambe avalo cheap aitoma? hindu matham epdiya patte matham da teru kuthiyanungala…seriously my tears rolling out..pls do respect our religion..i beg u..
*when i was a kid, i went to BC to see kavadees,devotees,stepping up on the stairs,see all the god inside the cave n finally the cute monkeys..BUT now monkeys are not only the caves but monkeys are traveling from various of places all around M’sia wearing ugliest dresses with unrelated colours,punk wig,drunk,blowing honks,*speaking good tamil*,dance performances,grabbing ass n boobs,see for any accidental cleavage of the devotees..ppl did u all realise this improvement of those monkeys? proud right..:)
*now,im going to the unresolved climax..u fuckers n bitches are not even worry about anything but talking about 1 malaysia, ‘natanz’ not getting respect lar, equal rights lar, itu lar ini lar…hey u dumbass morons..look at ur own disadvantages then talk about others..u got no fucking rights to comment about others…ppl i am right?
i feel like wanna cry only..feel ashamed because of this road dogs behavior…at the same time if i got the almighty power means i will kill those garbage..
yenda ipdi irunkunge? tamilan na avalo cheap ah? thaipusam vanthale vekkama iruku da ungelaleye..dae sunningala, batu caves one of the most huge temple in the planet da..yenda naingala, inge namakunu ennada iruku? batu caves onnu tha iruku..athe kalange paduthathingeda..thaipusam mattum ille, enthe kovil thiruvizha agatum, unge mattamane punde nadathe nale tamilan maaname pothuda…dae enthe matham kovil le sande podranunge? morecha sande,bike ram panne sande,saraku patha sande..ipdi na engeda tamilanuku nu oru mariyathe kidaikum? thirungeda, nange ellarum kenji kekarom..ppl are u all with me? i am telling anything wrong? human came from monkey, but these idiots stepping reverse from human back to monkey..
see how muslims been in Makkah, over 3 million ppl will go there, but there they are well organized,no fight,no havoc..why we cant do that? still doubt? see this google image of Makkah..
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?q=makkah+crowd+top+view&um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=497&tbm=isch&tbnid=rMmZqWNdtGzjUM:&imgrefurl=http://islamicarticles.wordpress.com/tag/makkah/&docid=mlTFWvishxwhvM&imgurl=http://islamicarticles.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/makkah3.jpg&w=684&h=493&ei=xYc0T73NCqz_sQK456SbAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=294&vpy=35&dur=584&hovh=191&hovw=265&tx=211&ty=80&sig=100151204517042162201&page=3&tbnh=143&tbnw=247&start=21&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:21
i sincerely apologies to use vulgar words here..im sorry sisters n brothers..pls accept my apologies..
PLEASE RESPECT OUR OWN CULTURE,RACE,RELIGION..THEN ONLY OTHER RACES WILL RESPECT US..PLEASE CHANGE IF UR FROM GOOD MOTHER, I BEG U..
-broken heart Indian-
Hats off bro! This was what exactly running in my heart….. Your comments are really good enough for those street dogs…and as well for all Indians…
Dear Indians and Tamilans,please change your self before others would pin point at us and our religion…. Please respect our religious and please DON’T STEP ON IT!!!!!
Bro, totally agree with you man. very well said. But, do you really think your message will get to them by posting this on a blog? I think those bunch of monkeys wouldnt even bother to read this blog(unless ofcourse this is filled with skimpy clothed big fat aunties and meenachees). Must go a step forward and relay these messages to them bro. Writing here is like complaining to ourself and not doing anything abt it. 9imagine few uncles meeting in a relative’s wedding/funeral and start talking of current gov and their fuck ups). There gov been around for 50+ freaking years uncle, why the hell you didnt do anything earlier?? Same thing here bro, if everyone could brainstorm of ways to prevent/minimise this problem from happening again, I’m sure we can see changes.
its a temple peepz itz nt a function or club to u 2 make this special occasion for lord muruga as a place 2 drink… to dance or doing stupid stuff… please la…. But d main point is d committee member… u have d power on ur hand to make changes or prevent diz kind of really immorality activities to happen.. y r u sitting on the stage n luking wt is happening… if an indian cn behave like @#$% at temple also sumore in a special occasion like dis… wt can i say… really have 2 shame of yourself….
NADARAJA, You are an EMBARRASSMENT !!! FUC_ _R !!!
just feel speechless when see some morons punk-headed bastards and their honking sound.Full of Motorist[ex5] with their retards loud exhaust ramming into the crowd carrying Pal Koddam and forcing them to give space for them. a s though they are fucking proud ride ducati.i just wish shoot them if i have gun. the behave like street dog!! others religion also wont do that. they supposes respect for the devotes. they are bring embarrass to Indian culture !! i feel shame also!! dei, nite also want wear sun glass ar ? want tackle awek izzit ? syabaa.. if look smart also nvm, u look alike a piece of shit, even the shit also look better if compare with you.
macam bodoh la…1 malaysia ka mcm nie….
gt alot of rela peoplez n police oso x use at all la…1 bustard drove in hiz car in a crowd…we cant walk at all…pity 1 indian lady and her 4 monthz baby girl…d lady was crying lyk hell in a crowd place coz of d police…if police also do lyk tiz…thn d public people also will create problemz la…dont tiz governmentz staffz have brainz….???? come on la…tiz common sense also dono ar..?? tiz one also want us 2 teach u guyz is it..?? Thaipusam at PENANG also was so disappointed coz of tiz kinda of stupid polices….hope so thiz same thing wont happen on coming year…
weLL said bro!!! good articLe indeed!!hope for a betterment from our people by reading this article!!god bless!!! n yea thumbs up 4u!! =)
im very sure ure an indian as well…so shut the fuck up…insultng our own race as malays n othr races peepz r commntng on ths pic…dnt u feel sooo uneasy wen they shootng nasty words towrds indians…….
YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT,THIS IS NOT TALKING BAD BOUT OUR INDIANS,THIS IS TO CHANGE OURSELVES TO GAIN RESPECT FROM OTHER RACE.
LIKE YOU SAID,YES THERE IS NO RESPECT TO OUR INDIANS,WHY?? BECAUSE OF OUR INDIANS ITSELF.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE?? TELL ME??
AT LEAST, LET US SEE THE CHANGES NEXT YEAR.
HOPE SO.
i read all those comments, i was one of the devotee who went thapusam at batu caves on 7th feb 2012.. as u guys commented its totally true.. it were nt exactly as a religious celebration but turns it into sum kind of negative attraction.. political games involves people as their prey.. and our indians just let others to roll them as dice in this country.. despite of these scenario’s young generation of our community terribly spoiled Hindu’s graces. sometimes i do feel shame to admit as an indian.. the fact we must overcome this cases in proper manner to get through a good solution..
this is really true…n u missed 1 thing bro…WHY THIS KOLEVERI song…hole over the place,only this song was going on compare to Murugan song. My mum and sister who took paal kudham on that day didn’t had a peace to pay their vows.
Once My mum back home after taking paal kodham,her only word is,why don’t those guys just die,my mum said she felt like want to kill all the guys there. She said she didn’t had a peace of mind,all over the KL,each and every place was going on the same song.(why this koleveri)
Indians are just spoiling their name,already there is no respect to our Indians in this Malaysia society by other race(SO CALLED *1MALAYSIA*), this is like an additional to them.
i don’t know when is this going to end.
vanakam anaithu face book friends. ovoru varusammum thipusathil ithe prichanai than. yendru yendral MIC ya yepdi Datuk sri samivelu vali nadathinaro athe mathiri ore manithan intha BC kovilaiyum vali nadathurathu than. intha nirvagatha muthal mathanum. athe saku poku soli kitu, kadaiya kovil ulla potu kasu sambathichikitu kovil suthama vachiruka theriyala. yevalavoo volentire service seiyarathuku kathukitu irukangga, yen oru ilainyrgal yellam senthu oru gruop amaithu intha taipusam nalil kovil mulusa sutham seiyalame. allathu 100 peruku sambalam koduthu oru varathuku sutham seya sonna mudinchu velai. kanda-kanda kadai galai kovil ula podarathu avalavu nallathu illai. BC porathuku munuku road site fulla kadaigal podalame. yen kovil ulla than podanuma. kadi, lori kovil kita vara anumathikatha police yen motorcycle mattum anumathi kodukanum. nirvagam veliyaliye kadi motor park seiya idam othukanum. annathanam codukarathu nallathu than anal sutham keduthe, athanala anathanam kodukarathu mejai narkali pottu ukkaravachi saapadu kaduthu anupanum. DBKL penguatkuasa porupalargal anumathi illamal bomai, uthi viyabaram seiyem nabargalai pudithu mahkamah niruthavendum. kovil punithamana idam yenbathai yum amaithiyaga valipatalthan iraivan anukiragam kidaikum yenbathai yellarum purinthu kolla vendhum. intha blog kil yarum kochai varthaigalai pesuvathai niruthik kolunggal. nandri vanakam
well said anne..!!
every year it’s the same story again and again..
rubbish…
..crowd…
….machas in bike along with the “ratham”…
……machas by the roadside (shouting n making promo)…
………end of the day, a great cultural disaster…
but this year, something new distributed to the same disaster **to make it worse**
the annoying honk…
..the so called **cool** punk hair wig..
….some **good** indian girl at the back of machas on the bike shouting for nothing…
…….sleeveless t-shirt to temple…
………mini skirt, shorts,, quarter pants…
…when did jeans and spaghetti stripe became our culture again??….
…why this koleveri??? ** the holy song** was played through out the day….
most of all…
IN CAVE VILLA…
dancing for **holy song** with **proper attire**….and they called it thaipusam…
I call it… “ATTAM 100 VAGAI 2012″
and we have some good viewers..
…you want to know who’s that??…
who else will it be if not our RELA and FRU!!!
and **happily ever after** we celebrate the celebration and say proudly,”we are done with our prayers”.
**if RELA or FRU ‘tangkap’..we say,”government going against indians!!”**
if this goes on…the culture that our ancestors have nurtured for more than 30,000 years ago..we are the oldest living religion on earth and if this is how we behave, in 20years time, our kids may not know our culture…
please awaken your realself..and nurture the rich culture we have…
and for the committee… i would say be a human then you can be a indian and then you can serve your people..people comes first then comes money ok… you people take care of the people and the culture only then our people can do it… temple is not a business place.. you want to give opportunity that’s as how the WRITER says.. not giving businesses to the “koleveri teams” and “mannin maithargal teams”… coz those are’nt holy!!! bare that in mind..!!
for the writer..
i would say thousands of thank you..
people had these in mind but none came forward to voice out, but when u did the first step..here we are almost 100 to voice out..
thank you.. once again..
**and sorry to those who feel offensive because i didn’t mean to blame you..it’s just the fact**
as usual indian fight indian..everywer fight.. in this comment also fight..haizzz . never change… and wont change…
Dey kettavan ******..Pudikkathi pesame irukkarathu onna mari potte …Nallathu sonna kekkalan..onnu support pannu..ellane potta *** maari pesame eru..intha mari vetti comment podathe..
The writer has conveyed exactly my views on this year’s Thaipusam. Kudos to you. However I would like to address the rest who has commented here, why you people keep complaining without you yourselves actually stepping in to solve the issue? I have been going to Batu Caves ever since I could remember (I live behind it) and every year it just gets worse 🙁
I understand that we cant change the entire population that comes there but you can change one at a time right. Personally I have friends who are part of the macha (hooligans) crowd whose main purpose to come there is to cause havoc,drink cheap liquor,dance and cuci mata.
However this time around I have managed to convinced one of them to follow me to for Thaipusam but on my terms. We walked with the ratham just the two of us,stopped at every temple on the way, ate and drank what was offered along the way and PROPERLY disposed of our rubbish, even if it means to walk a distance with an empty cup in your hand.
Day two he followed me to Batu Caves for me to fulfill my vows, same approach taken just the two of us, went prayed and headed home.
Next day he called me to say that this was the most meaningfull Thaipusam he has ever had and was ashamed of what he used to do previously.
Sometimes people just dont realise what they do wrong or how offensive they can be unless we show them.
So everyone reading this, this is my suggestions to you guys :
1) Lead by example
2) Try one person at a time, Im sure you know someone be it your friend, relative or even your son. Use an approach that you feel will work best. (advising or shouting at a red blooded youth will not work )
3) Throw rubbish at designated area’s only even if it means that you carry them with you around until you find a waste bin.
4) Parents please monitor your kids who are going there with their friends. Go as a family, creates a positive family bonding experience.
5) Dont encourage businesses that are not cultural or religous.(you can get your Kolaveri cd in Brickfields even if it means spending RM 2 more)
The lesser people buy the lesser chances of them setting up shop next year.Same goes to the funfair.
6) Dont break the rules like walking against the flow of traffic or cutting into the next lane half way up the stairs as its moving faster.
I agree that the above might some ridiculous to some but I beleive that if everyone of us here wants a change so badly wand if we were to do it and influence others to do the same in 5 years time instead of Batu Caves becoming a full scale carnival ala Mardi Gras during Thaipusam it will revert back to the holy and sacred event it once was.
And yes to those critics out there me and my family follow everthing of the above that I have stated and Im not a stuck up person or a nerd.I have more fun than you but only at the appropriate places. 🙂
This is a great article written by Nedu. This year, i was at Ipoh for Thaipusam and it showed not much difference. Temple committee play an important role for thaipusam event and they should coordinate it well. There are still Jokers wearing inappropriate T-shirt with black spectacles and walking around like “Taikoo”. Drinking alcohol in front of kavadi and dancing. This shows purely disrespect to the religion we are practicing. It’either people don’t have a common sense or they are really being a jackass to behave such. Indians needs to learn and change their attitude as stats are getting worsened nowadays.
BC for Thapusam is a big NO NO. I wonder with all the politics , loud rap music and MU kavadies , will lord Murugan even be ‘there’ to bless ? I don’t even want to think about the molesters.
Next year try to have some quiet time with Lord Muragan in the comfort of your own prayer alter. You will be equally blessed. well, the Lord is omnipresent isn’t He?
=) Just a to add note on the waste management issue
Have anyone heard of sampah masayarakat? we are a bunch of fb-ians who gather up for major public festivals like thaipusam or wesak day to do clean up. yeap, when others spend the day with close ones praying and fulfilling their vows, we pick up garbage, segregate and recycle them. we have been doing this since 2008. this year is the first year, we did it in penang for thaipusam, and the response was different compared to kl from temple management, gov and religious board. its based on volunteerism, and in that terms we need more support, i know it can be daunting to do that, but its our festival, and its or job to keep it clean, well at least in the environment perspective. our volunteers range from professionals to housewives, from all races, and yes that includes tudung clad mak ciks and rolex wearing uncles (;P) to high flyin expats. our main focus is to spread awareness, not single bodily clean up the whole area and we work hand in hand with the local city council. look out for us next time in fb during thaipusam and wesak and join us. =)